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		<title>By: michelletripp</title>
		<link>http://michelletripp.com/index.php/2010/03/20/social-media-smack-talk-nestle-facebook-marketing/comment-page-1/#comment-14760</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Oct 2010 14:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi! Åsk, I agree with Nestle on the logo issue. And they were within their right to let the readers know that anyone who used it would have their comment deleted. How they approached it was where the train ran off the track. It might have been better if Nestle had said something like &quot;We don&#039;t want to censor out followers, but any comments that use our logo will be deleted. (Hey, our attorneys are making us!) We encourage you to repost with your own photo, and we continue to welcome your thoughts on the topic, even if we don&#039;t agree. If you want to get into a deeper discussion, here&#039;s a link to a blog post where we go into detail on the issue.&quot; 

In doing that, Nestle could have made it clear in a non-confrontational way, while winning respect by being polite and friendly. Writing a special blog post about the issue (like Jet Blue did) could have also been used to gently lead the conversation to a more appropriate venue. 

I still can&#039;t believe the tone and language used by the Nestle Facebook page administrator, though. It was very reactive, and seemingly without much thought. It&#039;s like they were taking it personally, and making it personal. Seriously, on a global brand&#039;s Facebook page, who would do that?? 

Great point on the varying tones and etiquette used by people from different countries BTW!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi! Åsk, I agree with Nestle on the logo issue. And they were within their right to let the readers know that anyone who used it would have their comment deleted. How they approached it was where the train ran off the track. It might have been better if Nestle had said something like &#8220;We don&#8217;t want to censor out followers, but any comments that use our logo will be deleted. (Hey, our attorneys are making us!) We encourage you to repost with your own photo, and we continue to welcome your thoughts on the topic, even if we don&#8217;t agree. If you want to get into a deeper discussion, here&#8217;s a link to a blog post where we go into detail on the issue.&#8221; </p>
<p>In doing that, Nestle could have made it clear in a non-confrontational way, while winning respect by being polite and friendly. Writing a special blog post about the issue (like Jet Blue did) could have also been used to gently lead the conversation to a more appropriate venue. </p>
<p>I still can&#8217;t believe the tone and language used by the Nestle Facebook page administrator, though. It was very reactive, and seemingly without much thought. It&#8217;s like they were taking it personally, and making it personal. Seriously, on a global brand&#8217;s Facebook page, who would do that?? </p>
<p>Great point on the varying tones and etiquette used by people from different countries BTW!</p>
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		<title>By: michelletripp</title>
		<link>http://michelletripp.com/index.php/2010/03/20/social-media-smack-talk-nestle-facebook-marketing/comment-page-1/#comment-14759</link>
		<dc:creator>michelletripp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Oct 2010 13:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your thoughts, John. It may surprise you that many of us who use social media as part of the marketing mix believe social media actually diminishes an advertiser&#039;s ability to control, censor, put out propaganda, or delete critics. 

Before social media emerged, convincing a client to connect with the consumer and listen to them was a difficult task. In many cases, consumers were still viewed as a number and didn&#039;t have influence other than being able to call customer service or hold signs in the street in front of the building. Agencies that were strong consumer advocates could sometimes have a hard time getting through to the client. Now, customers must be listened to because they have a voice in social media. Advertisers who do what you accuse everyone in social media of doing, (eg. censoring, controlling, putting out propaganda, and deleting critics) are the ones that lose. Just like Nestle, who apparently wasn&#039;t taking social media seriously and hoped their detractors would just go away.

Social media is not the problem. Marketers that sell social media without business strategy are the problem. I agree that anyone who tries to convince a company of any size to do social media (or any other service!) before undergoing strategic analysis and problem-solving is, yes, selling a boondoggle. Thanks for contributing to the conversation, John.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your thoughts, John. It may surprise you that many of us who use social media as part of the marketing mix believe social media actually diminishes an advertiser&#8217;s ability to control, censor, put out propaganda, or delete critics. </p>
<p>Before social media emerged, convincing a client to connect with the consumer and listen to them was a difficult task. In many cases, consumers were still viewed as a number and didn&#8217;t have influence other than being able to call customer service or hold signs in the street in front of the building. Agencies that were strong consumer advocates could sometimes have a hard time getting through to the client. Now, customers must be listened to because they have a voice in social media. Advertisers who do what you accuse everyone in social media of doing, (eg. censoring, controlling, putting out propaganda, and deleting critics) are the ones that lose. Just like Nestle, who apparently wasn&#8217;t taking social media seriously and hoped their detractors would just go away.</p>
<p>Social media is not the problem. Marketers that sell social media without business strategy are the problem. I agree that anyone who tries to convince a company of any size to do social media (or any other service!) before undergoing strategic analysis and problem-solving is, yes, selling a boondoggle. Thanks for contributing to the conversation, John.</p>
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		<title>By: Dabitch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dabitch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Oct 2010 13:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looking at the initial conversation though, Nestle isn&#039;t being super-sarcastic or mean, but that Mr Paul Griffin is being a bit of a prick, and has no concept of derivative work: &quot;If I alter it, it&#039;s no longer yours&quot;.
 *groan* when did the collective knowledge of Ip/copyrights and trademarks become so bad? 
If Nestle doesn&#039;t guard their trademark (logo!), they will lose it, and the Nestle person is simply saying that if people are running around with a logo-photo on their page, they&#039;ll delete that. It&#039;s neither mean, nor snarky, and it&#039;s quite likely legally required of them to do that (or they have no defense when someone is REALLY messing with their trademarks) - a policy set in the boring law-department of Nestlé that the social media guy has to follow. The Nestle person is stuck between a rock and a hard place. Or a stupid law and a guy from the self-entitled generation. These people are not on the same page.

And THAT is an interesting aspect of social media, especially when it spreads around the world wide web, where real laws, etiquette and unwritten rules are all different. What is a regular reply from an Englishman is read as a curt reply by an American. What is a freindly joke by an Australian is seen as crossing the line by a Swede. We might all speak the same language, but we don&#039;t really.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looking at the initial conversation though, Nestle isn&#8217;t being super-sarcastic or mean, but that Mr Paul Griffin is being a bit of a prick, and has no concept of derivative work: &#8220;If I alter it, it&#8217;s no longer yours&#8221;.<br />
 *groan* when did the collective knowledge of Ip/copyrights and trademarks become so bad?<br />
If Nestle doesn&#8217;t guard their trademark (logo!), they will lose it, and the Nestle person is simply saying that if people are running around with a logo-photo on their page, they&#8217;ll delete that. It&#8217;s neither mean, nor snarky, and it&#8217;s quite likely legally required of them to do that (or they have no defense when someone is REALLY messing with their trademarks) &#8211; a policy set in the boring law-department of Nestlé that the social media guy has to follow. The Nestle person is stuck between a rock and a hard place. Or a stupid law and a guy from the self-entitled generation. These people are not on the same page.</p>
<p>And THAT is an interesting aspect of social media, especially when it spreads around the world wide web, where real laws, etiquette and unwritten rules are all different. What is a regular reply from an Englishman is read as a curt reply by an American. What is a freindly joke by an Australian is seen as crossing the line by a Swede. We might all speak the same language, but we don&#8217;t really.</p>
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		<title>By: Midasjohn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Midasjohn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Oct 2010 16:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh dear, once again you Social Media Evangelists are missing the point ...... Social Media Marketing is not for &quot;winning friends, engaging and having conversations about your brand&quot; .... No, that is what YOU exist for, to earn money peddling those concepts to small and medium sized businesses from your littel creative boutiques ..... it&#039;s about CONTROL .... its about CENSORSHIP ...... it&#039;s about PROPAGANDA and you DELETE your critics etc
Now THAT is the real world and really, you shouldn&#039;t all be all migrating from the pseudo-industry of SEO to be selling your boondoggle to real Business in Social.  Stay real people - stop selling the BS.
Please get a real job, one that produces something instead of BS boondoggle peddled to small businesses who can do without it or the expense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh dear, once again you Social Media Evangelists are missing the point &#8230;&#8230; Social Media Marketing is not for &#8220;winning friends, engaging and having conversations about your brand&#8221; &#8230;. No, that is what YOU exist for, to earn money peddling those concepts to small and medium sized businesses from your littel creative boutiques &#8230;.. it&#8217;s about CONTROL &#8230;. its about CENSORSHIP &#8230;&#8230; it&#8217;s about PROPAGANDA and you DELETE your critics etc<br />
Now THAT is the real world and really, you shouldn&#8217;t all be all migrating from the pseudo-industry of SEO to be selling your boondoggle to real Business in Social.  Stay real people &#8211; stop selling the BS.<br />
Please get a real job, one that produces something instead of BS boondoggle peddled to small businesses who can do without it or the expense.</p>
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		<title>By: Apple&#8217;s FaceTime Will Eliminate Dumb and Dumber Marketing &#124;</title>
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		<dc:creator>Apple&#8217;s FaceTime Will Eliminate Dumb and Dumber Marketing &#124;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jul 2010 13:52:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] smack with its Fans &#8212; an event that became fodder for major online media pundents. (See Michelle Tripp&#8217;s excellent write-up about how this went [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] smack with its Fans &#8212; an event that became fodder for major online media pundents. (See Michelle Tripp&#8217;s excellent write-up about how this went [...]</p>
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		<title>By: michelletripp</title>
		<link>http://michelletripp.com/index.php/2010/03/20/social-media-smack-talk-nestle-facebook-marketing/comment-page-1/#comment-3065</link>
		<dc:creator>michelletripp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Mar 2010 15:51:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re so right and you&#039;ve hit the nail on the head. We&#039;re seeing these huge PR crises with global brands because inexperienced people are being handed a lot of responsibility before they have the experience to deal with it.  
 
I&#039;m sure there are many different reasons why this is happening... but you&#039;re probably right in that there is a general assumption that &quot;young&quot; employees know social media and belong in social media. Yes, young people need to be learning social media, but unless they have a solid marketing background they&#039;re not ready to take on the responsibility of representing a brand on a world stage. 
 
Just because social media is &quot;easy&quot; to perform on a technical level doesn&#039;t mean it&#039;s an uncomplicated job on a branding or strategic level. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#039;re so right and you&#039;ve hit the nail on the head. We&#039;re seeing these huge PR crises with global brands because inexperienced people are being handed a lot of responsibility before they have the experience to deal with it.  </p>
<p>I&#039;m sure there are many different reasons why this is happening&#8230; but you&#039;re probably right in that there is a general assumption that &quot;young&quot; employees know social media and belong in social media. Yes, young people need to be learning social media, but unless they have a solid marketing background they&#039;re not ready to take on the responsibility of representing a brand on a world stage. </p>
<p>Just because social media is &quot;easy&quot; to perform on a technical level doesn&#039;t mean it&#039;s an uncomplicated job on a branding or strategic level.</p>
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		<title>By: Liberation Iannillo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Liberation Iannillo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Mar 2010 20:32:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A common mistake I see large companies making when it comes to their various social networking channels is hiring young, inexperienced people to run their accounts. I feel like the assumption is their new employees are young so they must be tapped into social media, because, like, all the kids are on it. 
 
Internal guides and standards should be set up so it&#8217;s crystal clear what will be said, who will be saying it, how frequently it will be said, and how to deal with negative comments or, in this case, the fan&#8217;s altered logo which started this whole debacle. If handled properly, they tools are an excellent way to retain customers by showing them you are listening and you care. Recently for one of my clients, I turned a negative comment on Twitter into a satisfied and returning customer. 
 
It&#8217;s a shame Nestle wasn&#8217;t monitoring their own Facebook account more closely. If they did, this rogue rep and his snarky comments never would have happened. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A common mistake I see large companies making when it comes to their various social networking channels is hiring young, inexperienced people to run their accounts. I feel like the assumption is their new employees are young so they must be tapped into social media, because, like, all the kids are on it. </p>
<p>Internal guides and standards should be set up so it&rsquo;s crystal clear what will be said, who will be saying it, how frequently it will be said, and how to deal with negative comments or, in this case, the fan&rsquo;s altered logo which started this whole debacle. If handled properly, they tools are an excellent way to retain customers by showing them you are listening and you care. Recently for one of my clients, I turned a negative comment on Twitter into a satisfied and returning customer. </p>
<p>It&rsquo;s a shame Nestle wasn&rsquo;t monitoring their own Facebook account more closely. If they did, this rogue rep and his snarky comments never would have happened.</p>
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